the untouch abls in minutes, hours, perhaps even days reputed boston mobster whitey bulger will learn if he is, in fact, untouchable. a jury is deliberating in a racket tearing trial against him. a judge reminded them they need to reach a unanimous verdict. a conviction could result in life behind bars. only has this trial lasted two months already but bulger was untouchable for almost 17 years after he fled boston in the mid '90s, it wasn't until 2011 and all the way in southern california when he was finally captured. now we wait for a new chapter to close in this mafia tale. where the truth is often stranger than fiction. we have nbc's ron nomott who's

outside the federal court. it's been eight weeks. still no verdict. what's going on? >> reporter: hey, abby, another beautiful day in south boston to stand out in front of the courthouse. we thought 90 minutes ago we might have had some activity. guns are the last five charges on the jury verdict form. if they're going in order, perhaps we're at the end. no one knows for sure. as you mentioned, this trial has been about eight weeks long and it has featured just about everything. obviously this was something of a movie back in '06 with jack nicholson playing this whitey bulger white. you had profanity going back and forth between whitey bulger and some of the witnesses on the stand. last week when whitey bulger decided he was not going to testify, one of the which had does to one of the people killed called him a coward. you have a lot of hollywood like stuff. as you mentioned, whitey bulger

ran what the government said was a murder rouse ring on the streets of boston. last week he got up to say -- when he said he wasn't going to testify, do whatever you want with me because this whole proceeding is a sham. you haven't given me a fair trial. all the ingredients. all the gumbo is put together. >> pretty unbelievable. ron mott in boston. thanks so much. let's turn to peter lance who wrote the book on cases like whitey bulger's. he's the author of "deal with the devil." it's great to have you here. i want to first talk about the mindset of this man because we call him -- this guy is untouchable and in a lot of ways he is untouchable. he's 83 years old. we've been watching him as the trial plays out. he looks defiant. the last thing he looks is remorseful. i'm curious from your perspective and all of the research that you've done on

cases similar to this, is this a normal reaction? >> whitey bulger, as we would say in the law, is generous. he's very similar, ironically, to gregory scarpa sr. who's the principal of my book. he was a top everybochelon info and he was protected by the bureau because of this thought that he would give them information that would make him more valuable than being on the streets. he was vicious. his killing partner steve phlegmy admitted that he had killed his adopted daughter, deborah hussie, who he raised from the time she was three. he had sex with her since she was a teen. these are the kind of people we are dealing with. by the way, my opinion why the jury's been out so long, because

the government, the pest they can do is to produce guys like flemmy, kevin weeks and john muldarano. they have to weigh their words and their checkered past against whitey who sat there silent bely in his sneakers and jeans and sweaters. he may have been glaring, but in fact they have to trust whether or not the government's witnesses who are equally as culpable should be believed. >> peter, there are a lot of people waiting two decades waiting to get whitey bulger into a court of law and face justice. what took so long to get to this point? >> well, in this case he was tipped off by his informant -- by his control agent, john con bely, who's now doing life and he went on the lamb for 16 years. that's why the whitey case took so long. the case points up the biggest problem in the deals with the devil that the government makes. last sunday in "usa today" brad

heath did a killer story, an investigative piece, and he found that the justice department had admitted that there are 15,000 confidential informants today in the system. >> wow. >> and in one year, listen to this, in one year they committed 5,658 crimes. >> wow. >> now sanctioned by the government. now we don't know were they just misdemeanors, were they felonies, because it's all in secret. the problem is you sleep -- you get down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. you hang with these guys and you depend on these loathesome characters and they play the fbi characters because they're street wise. they get much more out of the deal than the government does. >> peter, to your point, one of the things that blew me away here was the defense in their closing statements basically admitted to a lot what bulger had done. the defense attorney said, my client oversaw the criminal activities in south boston and made millions of dollars doing it. there, i said it again. sort of defiant even from the

defense and their defense is basically, yes, but it was sanctioned by the government. it was sanctioned by the fbi. did we learn anything new about the fbi's role in this case? >> no. a few more details came out. there were 700 pages of fbi informant memos on whitey that were released. in my book on "deal with the devil" i deal with over 1,000 of them. the whitey bulger story looks like disney compared to scarpa. 19 loathesome homicides. a beautiful girlfriend of flemmy who they thought was going to rat, they strangle her. he pulls her teeth out so she can't be identified and whitey started calling him dr. mengela. a pet term.

we understand how bad these people are. the fact that the federal bureau of investigation says fidelity, bravery, integrity, got down with them and believed them and continue. 15,000 confidential informants. the bureau with all of their surveillance capability really need to rely on so many criminals to fight crime? >> we don't have any footage from inside the courtroom but you might be the next best thing. it's gruesome but an important part of this trial. when you look at the jury deliberating, they are lining up a defense that says hey this happened but wasn't sufficiently criminal because of the government involvement. what does the jury do with the conflicting testimony? criminals talking about other criminals? a lot of lies swirling around. >> well, an interesting parallel can be drawn from the trial of tommy shots giolli.

he went on trial for six counts of murder and racketeering in may of 2012. the jury heard the testimony of similar government witnesses who had flipped, these wise guys who made deals with the government and flipped. they acquitted tommy shots on 6 murders. they come vikted him of racketeering. the quandary is that the fbi was the elephant in the room in this trial. the fbi sanctioned much of this behavior. i'm not saying that they knew, that the top brass knew everything, but john morris, the supervisor of john conley, whitey's control agent, john morris, the supervisor got paid $6,000, admitted that he was told one of the guys was an fbi informant and that led to him being murdered. there was an innocent bystander killed in the same car.

he skated. he got to the feds first. he's a wine consultant. there's blood on his hands, john morris. so that's the quandary that the jury is facing in this case. >> peter, when do you think -- when do you think a verdict will actually be reached in this case? >> i don't know. we're not in the room. we can't tell. i can tell you they're struggling with this issue right now. in the deal with the devil, who's the real devil here? and i'm not -- i'm trying to acquiesce or forgive whitey for all of the horror that he inflicted. the government with a wink and a nod allowed him to roam the streets of boston. >> absolutely right. peter lance, thanks so much for joining us. penny wise, pound foolish. the tea party's latest push when the cycle rolls on for thursday, august 8th.

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visiting old ideas can be a source of inspiration. sometimes the tea party takes that notion a bit too seriously. a group of republican lawmakers have revived the tea party idea first presented in 2011. it's called the penny plan. catchy name, i will give them that. it would according to the sponsors balance the budget in a 1% across the board reduction in spending. what's on the chopping block? social security, medicare, medicaid. yes, this definitely sounds a bit familiar.

let's turn to howard fineman. penny for your thoughts on this. i have to tell you, there's nothing that makes me more crazy than when someone packages an idea as common sense when really what it is is absurd, unworkable and cruel which the tea party seems to have a particular talent at doing. the question i want to put to you is are republicans even interested in proposing anything that is actually workable? because when you look at the details of this plan we're talking about a trillion dollars cut from social security, we're talking about over $200 billion cut from medicare. we saw in this past week the republicans could not meet rubber to road.paul ryan budget. do they have a plan? >> i think you need to tell me how you really feel about this, krystal. >> it makes me crazy. that's how i really feel. >> they have definitely pressed

your button with it, if nothing else. i was actually at a meeting over in arlington, virginia, last week of young americans for liberty which is ron paul's youth group that basically senator rand paul has taken over and rand paul was touting the penny plan at this rally. there were about 1,000 mostly young people there. they loved it because it's simple. >> right. >> antigovernment. >> common sense. >> it's great rhetoric. never mind the math. but more important than the math, never mind the reality behind it. i mean, i don't think there's any question, i think president obama has said this, i think a lot of other people, democrats have said it, that there needs to be a big, serious, grown up national discussion about overall spending that should in some way or other include

discussing entitlements as well as tax reform as well as so-called discretionary spending. in other words, the whole thing but that's not what this is about. this is about making political points, scoring political points and it also figures into politics for 2014 and 2016. in the case of 2014 you'll notice that one of the names of the co sponsors of the penny plan is mike enzi of wyoming. why? well, i would venture to say it's because liz cheney is trying to challenge him from the right. >> yeah. >> so you've got tea party written all over this and it plays into local politics more than it does actual numbers in the budget. >> well, and you say they're scoring political points. absolutely right. my problem is that they don't seem to be interested in doing anything other than scoring political points. >> right. i think that's -- i think that's pretty valid. >> yes. they tell themselves that they've got to do it that way

because the big bow hehemuth of government will never respond. the arithmetical sloganeering. >> maybe they have a little more credibility, howard, if they put senators forward that weren't running for the presidency in 2016. i think that is all too political in my mind as welcoming from a republican. i get a plan is necessary. we need to solve this spending problem, so i'll give them that. they're putting something forward. i do have to agree that more than anything this seems like, you know, a symptom of nothing getting done in washington. if we really want to talk about the way to handle this, it's really looking at the programs that need changing and figuring out how to make those changes. this is really not what they're doing. this is basically a scare tactic in my mind, howard, saying we're not going to come to a deal here. this is our only option. >> first of all, abby, am i allowed to say that we miss you

on huff post live. >> at least i still get to see you. >> you can visit her here any time. >> i stel get to see you here. i think the sequester, don't forget the people putting forth the penny plan i think pretty much wouldn't mind if the sequester stayed right where it was. in other words, they may want to try to keep their -- the pedal to the medal on the sequester and do this at the same time which would be a true two front attack on the very role of the federal government, which is, after all, at heart what the tea party is about. you're saying somehow we should do random, arbitrary, thoughtless cuts. that's the goal whether it's the penny, 5%. "huffington post" has been all over reporting the results of this. you had a story about the sequestration's biggest victim, the public defender's system.

what's interesting for people who care about it and for people who don't, people who want to cut government in a logical way, for those conservatives, that reporting pointed out as you know that the public defender system is already a very efficient budget that is mostly for staff. so unlike pentagon for cure or certain infrastructure plans, what you're doing with an across the board cut as sam stein and ryan reported is penalize a very part of the government that is running on low overhead and efficiently running, right? while bloated systems actually have the cushion. it's the opposite of what a jack welch style biscuit would do. does that aspect of it concern you on the penny plan, that they're not learning anything? >> well, the whole thing concerns me because it's a total breakdown of logic, adulthood and compassion. >> well said. >> we've used a lot of sflesver

this segment. >> because congress is supposed to be about, although it sounds oxymoronic in these days, it's about making intelligent choices in balancing politics and human needs and the goals of the country. the sequester is a meat axe that rewards bloated programs and penalized efficient programs. now the penny plan would sort of do the same thing to entitlements. the way you deal with entitlements is by trying to make them more efficient while making them more humane and that at least is the promise of obama care to some extent, at least as it relates to medicaid, and that's what we need to do but we seem incapable in washington for sure, let's hope not in society as a whole, of having a

clear-eyed conversation. this sounds boring because it's about numbers and budgets and their eyes glaze over when they hear it, but the federal budget is like the rosetta stone of our society. if you look at the big, thick document. it's the history and record of the decisions that we make about how to deal with our shared resources and we're not doing it in the proper way now. >> yeah. >> howard, i want you to put on your prognosticator's cap. given this hemiplan nonsense. one, how likely is it that there will be a government shutdown in october? two, how likely do you think that we'll have yet another debt ceiling showdown later in the winter? >> well, you're going to have a collision between the ever shrinking number of cooler heads in the republican party and the sort of renacent tea party. the tea party did not go away. if anything, the tea party is more important now than it was

before and i think there are people within the tea party who want to run for president in 2016 like rand paul, like ted cruz to name two. marco rubio is sort of in but not totally in every aspect of the tea party. they're going to want some kind of dramatic moment or other. there will be a put the stick in the spokes of the wheel of the bike. there will be something like that that will stop things. for how long, i don't know, but i would seriously doubt that we can avoid it. how long it will last, who will know, how seriously we will know. i have serious doubts about whether the sequester will be lifted. i think there are too many republicans who are dug in on the idea of keeping the sequester. they sort of stumbled into it by accident. they were come police sit in its creation but so was the white house. they'll blame the white house and keep the sequester which is something that's going to be very, very difficult to deal with. >> we're already seeing the 2016

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2013 atlantic tropics forecast. up to 19 named storms are predicted, 6 to 9 of them hurricanes, and three to five of those major storms. >> the conditions are in place for an active hurricane season and since the peak of the season is really just coming upon us, that means a lot of activity, you know, still to come. back across the atlantic, russia's sports minister says gay athletes will not be discriminated against at the sochi olympics. that despite the anti-gay law. it was announced last week that the law would be in force during the games. he served as an advocate for veterans in congress, but now embattled mayor bob filner is accused of sexually harassing them. three more women and a nurse who cared for one come forward. there are at least a half dozen

other women out there with similar claims. filner said he would attend a rehab program but he has refused to step down. organizers are gathering signatures on a petition calling for a recall election. all right. that was your news. now it's time to spin. not far from san diego president obama addressed military sex assaults on his visit to marines at camp pendleton yesterday. >> no military unit can succeed without discipline, without trust and without cohesion, and that's why we are going to work together, all of us, to stop these crimes of sexual assault and uphold the honor and the integrity that defines the finest military on earth. and that message is coming all the way from the top. >> and today politico has obtained internal pentagon memos for the next steps by chuck hagel to tackle this important and unspoken about issue.

more advocacy to victims, more frequent looking into claims and the president has been no stranger to modernizing our military, from repealing don't ask don't tell and letting women serve alongside men in combat. should he do more? can he do more? remember, top military brass are notorious for their resistance to change. that's a really important point, the last point about the resistance to change. that's why i feel like the president speaking out about this yesterday when he was thinking our military was not only remarkable but a really important moment for the military. i think it was one that people weren't expecting. it's a very delicate balance and the president knows all too well how to handle this. i think you probably saw a lot of eye balls that read his speech before it was even delivered. i just want to point out how big of a problem this is. it was such a big problem he

spoke to this. the number of service members anonymously reporting sexual assault grew by 30% in the past two years. the defense department estimated more than 26,000 troops experience an episode of unwanted sexual contact, which is a huge jump, from about 19,000 back in a 2010 report. we're seeing how much this has increased, whether that is women being more comfortable coming out or whether this is a bigger issue. it was the right thing for the president to speak out. now it's in the hands of the commanders and the leaders in the military to take charge of this. i want to speak on a personal level. i have two brothers in the military. i often ask them about sexual assault in the military. they respond very frustrated. this really puts a cloud over us because it's very much a guilt by association because it gets to a point now where it's happening so often that it's in the news and they look at those in the military, men, they assume they don't treat women right and they said this is the last thing we want to be dealing with. we're out serving our country.

why should we feel this way? even men in the military and women want this to be tackled. >> one of the divides in the reform community, there are very few people against any reform, but what we're seeing from chuck hagel and some senators on top of this issue, claire mccaskill and carl levin, is they stop short of taking the reporting of sexual assault outside of the chain of command which means women or men who have to report sexual assault, they have to do so to their commanding officer. that commanding officer might be friends with the victim's attackers. they may be the victim's attacker so one of the things that senator kirsten gillibrand is pointing out is how critical it is to take that line of reporting outside of the line of command. the push back from officers who want to preserve their power and want to preserve the way things are is it will disrupt discipline and order to remove this reporting through the chain

of command. i'll let senator gillibrand respond to that. >> i don't know how you can say that having 19,000 sexual assaults and rapes a year is discipline and order. i do not understand how you can say that of those 19,000 cases, to only have approximately 2400 even reported because the victims tell us that they are afraid to report because of retaliation and the blame they will get and the scorn they will get from their colleagues is order and discipline. i really cannot understand how 2400 cases, only 240 of which go to trial can be resolved and you believing that that authority is giving you discipline and order. it is the exact opposite of discipline and order. >> that is such a strong indictment there. i'm really glad you have pulled this down.

>> the military control. the president is legally prohibited in how much he can say in trying to adopt sexual assault. what do i mean by that? well, as long as the service group was tellings, the unlawful command influence is a rule that says commanders, the ultimate commander in chief can't speak specifically about punishment in the conduct of individual cases. there was now a ruling in june that said that because the president spoke out against sexual assault, people who were accused of it would get off because the president's words were too strong. the last time he did it he got accused sex offenders off. you have to change those rules at the top so that the president can speak out freely. it's insane so we go to

accountability. >> what's as outrageous, that's the result of this story exploding. you have people who are supposed to be protecting victims of sexual assaults who are engaging in sexual assaults. the one in san diego mayor when he was a member of congress who was at a sexual -- at an event for victims of sexual violence hitting on victims of sexual violence. it's depraved and, i mean, as you can tell, i am speechless. >> that's why we're saying it starts at the top here. up next guys, from civil rights crusader to conflicted family man, a window into the last 100 days of jfk aesz life as you've never seen before.

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let the word go forth from this time and place to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of americans. >> we just have a report from our correspondent dan rather in dallas that he has confirmed that president kennedy is dead. >> in the nearly 50 years since the assassination of jfk, much has been written about conspiracy theory about his death and his sexual appetite. but a new moment by moment look of the president's last hundred days of his life bringing something fresh to this long standing historical conversation. a contrast, some of the bios. thurston clark's account presents kennedy as a maine thod call, flawed, sometimes paranoid

leader who underwent profound changes during his final days. in the guest spot, thurston clark, "jfk's last hundred days." thanks for being here. >> it's a pleasure. >> you've got an interesting way of telling this story, looking at this countdown. the audience and readership knows what the president did during this period. >> that's right. >> you narrate how at the time with the cold war tensions president kennedy was seriously concerned about a potential coupe not abroad. he believed hill tear ri commanders might stage a coup against him if the conditions were right. kennedy said if there were military failures the military would almost feel it was their patriotic obligation to overthrow him. was he right and what was going on then? >> well, what was going on, that came in the wake of him reading seven days in may which was a thriller about a coup against the president. he read it in 1962 and he turned

to his friend, red fai, and said, you know, it could happen to me and faye said, how could it happen to you? he said, well, if there were three things that happened. the first would have to be something like the bay of pigs which had happened and the next would be a second thing like the bay of pigs which was the cuban missile crisis. and at the time some of the generals were comparing him to neville chamberlin at munich. then he said if a third thing happened there could be a coup. in fact, after the limited test band treaty was signed there was an article in the new republic saying that the air force generals were mute tan news and referring to seven days in may. >> wow. >> for better or worse when you hear the name jfk you also think about marilyn monroe, the white house swimming pool, all the womanizing. you write that the president's relationship with jackie kennedy took on a sort of renaissance. you have a picture that i want to show everyone, put it up here. this is of jackie returning to

washington from a trip to greece in 1963. do we not have -- >> no, that's a different picture. >> that's her leaving with jack when they left the otis base hospital together. >> so the picture that we wanted to show is of her peaking out from behind -- >> the kids are about to jump up into her arms off the plane. >> what we don't see in that picture and what you tell readers is this, quote, when kennedy reached the top of the metal staircase she reached out with a white gloved hand to caress his neck and draw him inside. such a chic vision. what happened? what changed for president kennedy? >> what changed was their son patrick died. tomorrow is the 50th anniversary of the death of patrick. jfk spent 36 hours with his son and was holding his hand when he died. he burst into tears afterwards. he cried for 15 minutes in the hospital. he went to jackie's bedside in the hospital in cape cod and she said to him, i couldn't bear it if anything ever happened to you. after the funeral when the

funeral happened, he grabbed the little baby's coffin and wanted to take it with him and cardinal curbing had to restrain him. he was in tears again. he came back to otis and he said to jackie, you know, jackie, we must not create an atmosphere of sadness in the white house. it wouldn't be good for the country or for the work we have to do together. and her mother said that really seized jackie's attention. that's the first time he talked about their partnership. >> you focused on the last 100 days of his life. >> yes. >> it's interesting. >> i wasn't around obviously when he died but we feel as if we know him. we feel we know their family. there have been countless books, documentaries, articles written about his life. was there anything that took you by surprise or completely shocked you about jfk that we don't know about? >> yes. one of the reasons it did is because my book is kind of weaves together the first time the presidential, personal and political life. i think one thing was i found

documents in the kennedy library that confirmed a conversation that even when lincoln talked about in her book four years later that he was planning to replace lbj as vice president with governor terry sanford from north carolina and no one before had found lincoln's actual notes. she was sometimes dismissed as a somewhat flighty and rattle brain woman, of course she had a b.a. from george washington university and two years of law school so this was no fool. and she wrote this down and it was clear. the other thing that was interesting was that kennedy was proposing a joint moon mission because of the datante with the soviet union that fall, he was proposing that american and soviet astronauts together. who knows if he lived, we could have been holding hands on the moon together. >> you talk about the import he put on the treaties that could get us away from proliferation. i wishing we had time. it fits that notion of him of someone who thought so grandly

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my next question is an obvious one. what the hell's going on? you have no idea? >> we have a lot of different options. >> last year 1/3 of the bee colonies disappeared or died. >> disappeared. >> you mentioned colony collapse disorder. that's what happens when bees vanish. we don't know what causes that. sometimes they die, you open up the hive like the keeper does and there's nothing there. >> i love the story not only because you have the plug of the bumble bee, musical pun bee reference. also, you explain something that a lot of people don't realize. i had no idea this inner dependence in the food systems and the economy of this one sort of insect, right? explain to us why this particular species, if you will, has such far reaching impacts? >> well, they pollinate, as you said, one of every three

mouthfuls you have. they add $16 million worth of value to american agriculture, apples, almonds, a to z. >> almonds, 4 billion in california. >> right. that's the single biggest one. almonds are might get for california wine grapes. double the wine grape market. without the honey bees, you wouldn't be able to sell them, raise them the way we do. >> my daughter is deeply concerned about this story. you were saying we don't know exactly what the culprit is, but there are a couple of theories out there. what are some of the theories. >> there's a number of causes. one is pesticides, there's a particular class that's been in use in the last 15 years or so, and seem to back bees even at levels that should be strange and may weaken bees further. another is the parasites that feed on bees. the destructor, which is a great name -- >> that's art's nicknames. >> barilladestructor, they suck

the blood of baby bees. and then you have the fact there's no more nutrition for bees. when you have what used to be diverse farms replaced with corn monocultures, bees can't really feed on that, they're essentially starving to death. >> so i'm blamen monsanto. >> that's exactly what i want to ask. you do the reporting, you talk about the pesticides, and obviously you get people who come in and say, okay, you've endorsed my concern, we all need to go organic, right? or other things that people worry about. you were talking about global warming, which is not exactly the main thrust here. can people read some policy solutions out of there? would we be better off if we had a less pesticide-focused. >> i think we would be better off with variety to farming, planting more flowers, more wilderness. there's something called the conservation reserve program that puts aside farmland for conservation instead of actually planting it. if you had more of that sort of wild territory, bees would have

more nutrition. that would help. you have these biological solution. monsanto is working on something that will turn over the genes of that destructor, and rather than using a chemical to kill it, you use something to make them harmless that may ultimately be better off for them. but as long as we want this monocultu monoculture, there would be side effects. >> how many times did you get stung? >> not once, so maybe i should go into the industry. >> you're a natural. >> i'm so fascinated by this destructor. >> it's about the size of your fist on your body the side of a little thing on the honey bee itself. >> wow. i have this vision of this -- anyway, brian walsh, thank you very much. up next, abby's road. i hear she's making the case for a mandated siestas. i like where that's going.

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all right. one thing i could see seem to go a day without hearing is how tired people are. it seems like a socially acceptable salutation. it starts with, how are you? half the time is a big exhale followed by "i'm exhausted." i might be one of the worst offenders, but isn't there a simple solution like, i don't know, getting more sleep in unfortunately it's not as easy as it sounds. according to recent studies, about one third aren't getting

enough sleep. that's two hours less than what experts tell us we should be getting. so what's the problem? well, for starters, there's a 50 to 70 million americans who have sleep disorders like apnea, insomnia our hyper insomnia. and that probably doesn't include the mates -- it was shocking to learn a few weeks ago that one of the true causes of michael jackson's death was the fact he went without real sleep for 60 days. 60 days. who knew that a lack of sleep could actually kill? then there's everyone out there that thinks they are superman or superwoman and they don't need the same sleep as the average person. i hate to break it to you, unless you're trying to beat the 17-year-old kid who voluntary went out sleep, he lasted a full 11 days, or the 26-year-old chinese man who lost his life after attempting to watch every game of the european cup, going days without sleep could be very

bad ending. in all reality, the lack of sleep leads to a less productive, less alert, less healthy and more mistake-prone country literally falling 'sleep at the wheel is not okay. there are the infinite number of competing demands, jobs, kids, spouses, friends, chores around the house, not to mention catching up on the favorite tv shows, we go to sleep leaving something undone. even more invading is the always buzzing, blinks and ringing phones. there's always one more tweet to read, text to respond to or e-mail to get to our boss. hint, guys -- just leave that thing in your den. what do you do about this? i guess we could all be rational human beings, as just get more sleep at night, go to bed earlier, wake up later, or take those addicting sleeping pills that make you only delirious. how about this? we could just follow what most of the world does, and take an afternoon snooze. the spanish call it a siesta,

the china -- i think we should call it a post-lunch nap, pln for short. if it doesn't start trending after this rant, we have failed, because we can all agree that feeling more energy is something that should be embraced. don't take that nap, though, from 3:00 to 5:00 eastern time, 2:00 to 4x in the midwest, and i'm talking to you grandma and grandpa, from noon to 2:00 all the way out west. if you do, you'll miss us, and of course, martin bashir, and we can't have that. it's all users. >> sorry. good afternoon. it's thursday, august 8th. i'm voting to repeal the affordable carable in washington may seem like a good idea until members of congress meet their constituents. republican members of congress are holding 14 town

hall meetings across the come. >> we all to the judged on how many laws we repeal. >> to explain to their constituents how exactly democracy works. >> i'm not going to have you moderate the republican debates. >> why not? >> you're not actually interested in the future of the republican parties. >> a number of -- want to be for something, not just be against everything. >> harry reid and president obama would scream and yell. >> i see mea colleagues say, by god, it's now or never. >> will you vote to defund obama care? i want a yes or no. >> no. >> they want to get as many americans hood to the sugar. >> the other day you're not wanting to kill the hostage. that's okay, kill it. >> cooler heads prevail over time. >> there are more effective ways of achieving that goal. >> one thing i've tried to do is not overreact. ♪